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Wars Have Got To Stop
8/11/2008 - Susan Terbay

As we watch the Olympics we see for a brief moment in time, countries are away from their realities and even though they experience differences people can get along in a closed in environment.

As we watch such competition, another war is being waged and innocents are dying and lives are being destroyed all for the sake of what?  I’m not naive.  I know in this world there are conflicts and sometimes war is the only solution but frankly I’ve grown sick and tired of the ‘need to war’ – that somehow war justifies us as a people and that they only way to do that is with weapons and killings.  I call all wars – the war of penises.  If that offends, I apologize but let’s face it (as an example) every time Saddam pulled out his sword – what did that remind you of and what was the response to such a war challenge?  "Oh, you think yours is big – you should see mine."  Is that not like bathroom talk in a boys’ locker room?

People want to know why I’m so against McCain.  I never use to be.  I felt as a man who was in a war and as a prisoner of that war he may be much more reluctant to put lives of not only our soldiers but of the innocents on the line.  I thought perhaps he would never want to see our world in such turmoil and would do everything in his power to keep war from happening and if it was happening to stop it.  However, McCain wants to continue to keep our soldiers in Iraq for unlimited years and now he threatens Russia with these same soldiers – our children and our children’s children.

It has to end.  Those who want war – fine – I would tell them what I told my sons when they would start to wrestle or fight in the house – go outside – you are not destroying anything in the home.  We need to tell those who see war as the only solutions – fine – go outside the realms of this world because you are not destroying our earthly home any more.


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8/11/2008 Joyce Norman from Birmingham AL wrote:
I second your cry, "Go outside!" There must be boundries where no one is allowed inside with weapons. Surely there is a single place on this earth where peace prevails and those with hatred and instruments of war are not able to enter. And those who want to play destructive games will just have to go to a big sandbox somewhere and "duke it out" and leave the rest of us to work on this thing called peace. Surely there is a place like this....surely...
8/12/2008 Susan Terbay from Dayton OH wrote:
That place is within ourselves. We have the power to make peace happen. People often think that people who speak out against war are taking the lazy/easy way out of a situation - no, it is much harder to work for peace when there is tension and anger than to pick up a sword and allow hate/revenge to rule the actions.
8/12/2008 Suzanne Caplan from PA wrote:
America has lost the moral high ground to tell other countries what to do at this time. Our folly in Irag has left others to want to flex their muscles and become the dominant world power. We acted as if Russia would never figure out how to come back as a power. And how do males show their domination? They beat up everyone else in the room. Women do not need to rule but we need a voice and an equal seat at the table so that we can be heard.
8/12/2008 Susan Terbay from Dayton OH wrote:
Those who 'rattle the swords' need to put them back in their pants and zip it up. As women we truly need to be a part of such matters and simply say, 'not with my child, 'not this time!.' Get it right now!
8/12/2008 Joy Collins from Fountain Hills AZ wrote:
It's not a matter of man or woman. Putting it that way is divisive, too. It's a matter of working FOR something as opposed to working against something. Work FOR peace, work FOR a drug-free world, work FOR health. Working against a negative only gets more negative. We need to change our mind set and elect people who are willing to do the same.
8/12/2008 Susan Terbay from Dayton OH wrote:
I agree we need together to work for Peace, for any good cause but sometimes in so doing we have to work against that which has been the established way and speak out that it is no longer the acceptable way. It is a fine line to walk but it can be done because we have the ability and wisdom - but do we have the courage.
8/12/2008 Joy Collins from Fountain Hills AZ wrote:
Sorry, couldn't disagree more - by virtue of working for something you are automatically saying you are against its opposite but you are putting out positive energy instead of negative. Frankly, it turns me off when I continually hear what people are against. Working against McBush isn't going to necessarily elect Obama. In fact, it will just draw attention to McBush. But - working FOR Obama will get the desired goal accomplished. There's a difference - an important one.
8/12/2008 Susan Terbay from Dayton OH wrote:
Actually I don't think we are in total disagreement - I may be at fault in expressing myself. I guess I work in combination by working for peace I'm working against war.
8/12/2008 Joyce Norman from Birmingham AL wrote:
I'm not sure any of us can say, "McCain wants....." That's the problem. I don't think anyone knows exactly what McCain wants or doesn't want. He is not clear on any big issues and I can't make a guess as to what he wants...that's the scarey part. We all spout off what we think these candidates want and feel and believe...and frankly, none of us has a clue.
8/12/2008 Susan Terbay from Dayton OH wrote:
That is why I'm so ready for debates and presentations of that matter - so we can 'hear' what they both 'want' or 'hope' etc. It is scary not truly knowing anything at this point except from ads - which are what they are and election is only little over 3 months away.
8/12/2008 Suzanne Caplan from PA wrote:
We do have some clues.....the life experience of a candidate and their prior behavior is an indication. McCain has been in Washington for 26 years and he has a record. That needs to be discussed. He was played out of position in the beginning and as a result was part of the Keating Five. He graduated at the bottom (real bottom) of his class at the Naval Academy and would not have been a pilot if he had not been an Admiral's son. He is what he is by virture of much life. I have looked at this and I am concerned. And his known temper is legend in DC.........the other choice is Obama.
8/12/2008 Suzanne Caplan from PA wrote:
Obama is more unknown but his life experience is more of the real world where average people matter. I have worked in Inner city programs and life is hard there. Change comes slowly and one has to be tenacious. I like his partnership with his spouse, he seems to respect her. Women will not be listened by men who do not respect the gender. These are strange times but more of the same feels worse than the status quo.
8/12/2008 Joyce Norman from Birmingham AL wrote:
I have to agree with Suzanne. It is the life experience that counts...Period! Debates only show one thing...if the candidate is a good debater or not. If you use what you hear from these presentations for the Gospel, you still won't know much. How do we know if they tell the truth? They're running for the big Prize and by this time in the race we all should have a very good idea who they are and what they're saying. Take a good look at their background and that says more than all the words they speak.
8/12/2008 Susan Terbay from Dayton OH wrote:
I'm totally enjoying all the discussion. This is enlightening and educational for all of us. This is a very important time in our history coming up and we need insights from all angles and realities. It helps form a good decision. I know I'm learning a lot and thanks for that!
8/12/2008 J Peak from Plymouth MI wrote:
I am more turned off by Obama than ever. He, too, has gotten so wishy-washy. He doesn't know what he thinks when asked an off-the-cuff question. He's made some about-faces on his war stand, too. And life experience? Read the interview in Lady's Home Journal. It'll make you sick. He says he has no idea what clothes cost for his girls, etc. Certainly not a "man of the people". And he makes no apologies for not being there with his family. He and Michelle both said "as long as someone is there with the kids", if they can't be. Don't they know the important of a mom and dad? It's scary too.
8/12/2008 Susan Terbay from Dayton OH wrote:
Not knowing what clothes costs for kids isn't that important to me. If you don't shop for the stuff you don't know - I don't know myself right now because I don't shop. I have two children in the retail business and they purchase items for me. I think parents have to make decisions what works for their family. As a single mom it is hard for me to judge parenting of anyone when it comes to making decisions of what has to happen when circumstances challenge the family unit.
8/12/2008 J Peak from Plymouth MI wrote:
Please pick up Lady's Home Journal (or read it at the library) and then tell me what you think. Their idea of a family unit, and his ideas about women and their role in the home, is appalling to me. He has no more idea of what a working class family goes through than McCain.
8/12/2008 Joyce Norman from Birmingham AL wrote:
Here's the crux of the thing to me right now....what choices do we have when the real voting time comes? I don't want to vote for the "lesser of two evils" even if I thought I could determine who that is. One is so weak that even his speaking voice is difficult to understand. The other seems to have all the answers and lots of energy. What a lousy way to choose a President for our beloved America. We can talk all we want, but dear friends, I'm very concerned about this one. To me, there is no clear winner..on either side.
8/12/2008 Susan Terbay from Dayton OH wrote:
We have had such moments in our history of voting. We are a strong country of people. What is even more important is the election of Congressional representatives.
8/12/2008 J Peak from Plymouth MI wrote:
That is a good point, Susan. Keep in mind that we have had a Democratic Congress for some time and look at the mess we're in. Maybe it's time to stop voting for a party and start voting for those who really mean to do good for the country and not just satisfy their own agenda. It's time people stop voting for who their party tells them to vote for, but to study the candidates and what they've done for the country by way of their votes or bills they have supported.
8/12/2008 Susan Terbay from Dayton OH wrote:
We need a strong government - that includes all three branches. There is suppose to be checks and balances in 'our' government - that needs to be return big time. War cannot happen, health care cannot happen, etc., etc., unless our government says so - and we elect the government!! At least that is my understanding.
8/13/2008 Suzanne Caplan from PA wrote:
We have had a democratic congress for two years and the senate bearly has a majority. I really don't like all of the power in the hands of one party but I am convivnced that I cannot vote for McKain under any circumstances. We would not have the "lesser of two evils" if we did not savage everyone who runs. J......those things you point out are not indications to me of Obama's character.....McKain's record is an indication of his. I have heard retired ranking military talk against him and seeing him respond to questions leaves me queasy.
8/13/2008 J Peak from Plymouth MI wrote:
Suzanne, McCain (spelled with a "C") is not on my "gee he makes me happy" list either. And neither is Obama. Did you read the LHJ interview. Obama absolutely is an elitist and I'm seeing that he tends to be a closet chauvanist. He is immature in matters of running a government. It absolutely scares me to see his "pie in the sky" ideas. Once LHJ does their McCain interview I'm sure his failings will come shining through. And I'm sure that will leave me as frustrated as ever. However, at least he has some confidence and knows he doesn't know everything.
8/13/2008 Susan Terbay from Dayton OH wrote:
Speculating and knowing a person cannot be done through the media or interviews. I'm ready for a change from the continuance of this administration and demise to our country. I won't vote for McCain - no matter what. My family has lived the Bush regime long enough - I'm ready to move on.
8/13/2008 J Peak from Plymouth MI wrote:
I'm afraid you may still have the Bush regime (if that's what you want to call McCain...but I don't see it) even with Barack. Study their views on all matters and you'll be sadly disappointed to see that they pretty much believe the same things but just go about it in different ways. Their outcomes will be similiar. And none of that matters, anyway, because history has shown that what a politician says he's going to do when he gets into office rarely happens. Their eyes get opened to reality and they see their pipe dreams about their agendas were just that.
8/13/2008 Susan Terbay from Dayton OH wrote:
I guess my response would be then - why vote? Why not just have dictators come to power and eliminate our need to be involved because no matter what we do - it will all be the same. I don't believe that I don't believe you do either. I truly believe that we can turn things around - not just with the presidential candidates but with our congressman, our town leadership - our judges, our school leadership -any of our elected officials - it is our choice. My son put his life on the line for us to vote - I'm voting with hope for his future, my other children and my grandchildren's future.

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